Posted: 11:27 am Thursday, May 29th, 2014

SEC coaches don’t want rules skirted (wait, what?) (updated) 

By Jeff Schultz

Penn State's James Franklin is ruffling the feathers of SEC coaches. (AP photo)

Penn State’s James Franklin is ruffling the feathers of SEC coaches. (AP photo)

James Franklin, the former Vanderbilt coach now of Penn State, will be appearing at football camps next month at Georgia State and Stetson University, and SEC coaches don’t like. Why? Because it circumvents an NCAA rule.

Sorry. Need a minute. I can’t stop laughing.

So here’s the background: The NCAA has a rule that precludes NCAA coaches from holding football camps out of state more than 50 miles from their campus. The idea of this rule is to prevent Alabama’s Nick Saban from holding a camp in Athens and Georgia’s Mark Richt from going to Gainesville, Fla., and  Kentucky’s Mark Stoops going to … well, nobody really cares where Mark Stoops goes.

Anyway, Franklin, who I anticipate is going to do a great job at Penn State, technically is not breaking the NCAA rule because he’s classified as only a “guest” of Georgia State coach Trent Miles. It’s not Franklin’s camp.

The SEC has its own rule that prevents coaches from appearing even as guests at other camps. Franklin had to abide by that at Vanderbilt but he doesn’t have to now. So SEC coaches are upset and they want the NCAA to close the loophole.

SEC commissioner Mike Slive acknowledged at the conference meetings in Destin, “It’s that kind of thing that gets us to think about our rules.”

UPDATE: The website 247sports.com is reporting that Notre Dame coach Brian Kelly also has plans for a “satellite” camp at Georgia State in 2015.

UPDATE II: Just spoke to Miles. He confirmed that Notre Dame coaching staff is coming to Georgia State next year and had a lot of great comments on this issue. Look for them later in the full column.

UPDATED: Here’s a link to the full column with comments from Georgia State coach Trent Miles, who doesn’t really care that SEC coaches are upset.

Personally, I find it ironic and hysterical that SEC coaches are complaining about another coach exposing a “loophole” in the NCAA rulebook and living in the gray areas, particularly when it comes to recruiting.

Again, here’s a link to the column on MyAJC.com.

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91 comments
DrPhill
DrPhill

The pirate Slive wants to think about the rules? Does he really have time from counting his money?

LakeDawg
LakeDawg

You're right. It is hysterical. The SEC is by far the dirtiest league in college football. And I'm a UGA fan.

glsjunior
glsjunior

Simple...If the SEC doesn't want other schools camping on our campus then show us the money. And if they don't want to play us that's fine too. There are plenty of BIG 10, 12 and PAC 12 teams that'll break us off.

RedandBlackDAWG
RedandBlackDAWG

If there is anger over this issue it should be directed at GA. State for allowing the practice to take place on their campus.  The coaches utilizing this loop hole are only doing this because GA. St. is allowing them to do it. I guess it must give them some extra bucks in their cash strapped program, so it is a good move in their estimate.

Other than the money angle, I don't think it will improve the quality of their recruiting in this state for GA. ST.

Delusionaldog
Delusionaldog

Franklin woud kick Pruit's butt. Just like he kicked The Beav's butt. 

Dawg350
Dawg350

Who cares about James Franklin! UGA is title bound! Nothing finer in the land than a drunk&obnoxious UGA fan!

DonJonas
DonJonas

SEC is a bunch of spoiled brats. Over signing is a disservice to the kids.  Bunch of duplicitous hypocrites.

ElStinko
ElStinko

My only question is this....Is any of the states Tax dollars being used for this camp?  If so UGA & GA Tech should raise hell over it.

gtcaryd
gtcaryd

Waaaaaah, Wa,Wa,Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!!

DawgWhisperer
DawgWhisperer

Jeff, I'm suspicious of anything you find hysterical. If you're for it, I'm agin it. It is what you might call a chasm in philosophy that can't be bridged. I think many years ago, you made a left turn when you meant to go right and somehow wound up in Atlanta. With the left coast looking for more tax revenue and fire fighters, I'm thinking the time is right for you to get lost again.  

birdrow
birdrow

Franklin is and always will be a Jack-A$$.  He is a pretty good coach though.  Who cares?

caneowar
caneowar

I'm confused. Isn't Ga State in Atlanta? Why the hell would that idiot, Trent Miles have other schools getting any kind of foot hold in the Metro Area? Seems to me he would be cutting his own throat. Penn State and Notre Dame must really be padding his pockets. If I were the powers that be, Mr Trent Miles would be looking for a new job.

Dawg350
Dawg350

UGA will win the national title this year! Book it!

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

First  Penn. St. and now Notre Dame.

The reason these outside programs are doing this is because they KNOW that CPJ is a weak recruiter and that UGA cannot sign all of the BCS talent from the Metro Atlanta Area.

These outsiders are sensing weakness in GT & Pajamas' Metro Atl. Area recruiting and are closing in like a pack of wild hyenas that sense that a gazelle is injured and can't run fast anymore.

Penn. St. and Notre Dame both recruit players that have the same academic profile as the players that GT recruits, YET, the CPJ apologists have told us repeatedly that CPJ & GT MUST recruit outside of Ga. to find academically qualified recruits.

That actions of Notre Dame and Penn. St. prove that this was a lie, just like I claimed all along.

StingerSplash
StingerSplash

So I wonder what Mr. Franklin, the purveyor of "you commit to the coach, not the school" line of thinking, will say to a Penn State recruit in a couple of years if a team from the NFL comes calling for his services. Will he say, you should have committed to the school and not the coach? I believe Mr. Franklin is about to get exposed as a fraud during his time in Happy Valley. And he still has some lingering questions about his time in Music City.

Delusionaldog
Delusionaldog

It's soooooooooo not fair,  right all you hypocritical SECowards?

LostGoat
LostGoat

sec coaches cheat whenever possible to get players and keep them eligible--they don't need to be whining about other coaches doing the same thing

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

Notre Dame and Georgia State are doing this deal in 2015 as well. How much is Georgia State getting paid?

AlternativeDawg
AlternativeDawg

Who cares what James Franklin does. He live up in Coocooville. They worship a guy that allowed a rapist around his campus.

Dawg350
Dawg350

So Grantham and franklin had a actual fist fight? Gee when did this happen....your brain doesn't work does it?

thebucket
thebucket

@Delusionaldog  Yeah whatever. Franklin was the one who ran off crying to Richt after Grantham went off on him. Franklin is a liar and cheap shot artist. He can dish it out but he can't take it.

TheBigWally
TheBigWally

@caneowar Who knows, he may just be networking.  Trying to secure a job down the road or something.

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@caneowar 

Trent Miles logic is pretty straightforward - and it is a good move for him.  It's not like GA State is going to get players who are good enough for ND or PSU. 

GSU is limited to the number of players who will visit the camp.  Players who even THINK they are good enough for ND, PSU or any team from the SEC or ACC are not going to go to a camp at GSU.  Have a camp with visitors from ND or PSU and you will get a higher level of player.  Many of these will not get a place at the big conferences and may have interest in GA State.  I am sure Cheryl Levick is 100% behind Miles.

KeepOnSmilingWetWillie
KeepOnSmilingWetWillie

f AUBURN is signing all the Metro Atlanta players not Georgia. May be Barn Mafia will get involved and run off ND and PSU.

GTBob
GTBob

@MikeBanning Penn State and ND have signed a combined 24 recruits for 2015 so far. Not a single one of them has been from Georgia. Im not sure I would say they are closing in like a wild pack of hyenas. I do applaud the effort to some how turn a James Franklin/SEC blog into a CPJ blog though. That is is some impressive psycho obsession you have.

thebucket
thebucket

@Delusionaldog  Your SECowards comments are really funny considering you cheer for a school that is 0 and what against the SEC? Must be embarrassing to know your beloved Buckeyes can't beat teams from a coward conference!!!!!!!!!!!! We are all laughing at you!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GTBob
GTBob

@AlternativeDawg UGA fans defend criminals all the time. They even once defended an athletic director who was driving drunk while cheating on his wife. You guys aren't perfect. It might not be best to cast stones at the Penn State fan base. 

Delusionaldog
Delusionaldog

@AlternativeDawg You are delusional. I'm sure there have been rapes at uga under Dooley, Donnan, Goff and Richt.  Go suck an egg. 

BigGDawg
BigGDawg

I know for a fact Franklin would whip Urban's tail and make him cry.....Franklin is definitely an A-hole!!

Dawg350
Dawg350

That's right bro....if I ever see you at the games I will bark and spit beer in your face!

clarkston
clarkston

@PaulinNH @caneowar I'm sure GSU will get some players at the camp who normally wouldn't attend--but they're not going to actually sign with GSU, so this is really about raising the program's profile.  On the other hand, GSU is taking on a lot of new financial obligations with the move to 1A.  So they're going to need to get some revenue games with nearby SEC teams.  Good luck with that, Trent.  You probably just cost the program several million dollars.Maybe James or Brian will have an assistant's slot open for you after you go 0-12 again.  Then again, probably not.


By the way, it's interesting that everyone assumes Atlanta is an SEC town.  Did ol' Jeff even CONSIDER asking Paul Johnson for a comment?  I mean consider, even for one second?

caneowar
caneowar

@PaulinNH @caneowar 


The same could be said about UCF and to an extent, South Florida and in the past, FSU and Miami, Fla. You're right. Georgia State ain't there yet, but they're in a good location to get there. Inviting out of state coaches to sit up camp in your own back yard won't aide him into getting Ga State where it can be in the near future. I'm thinking along the lines of what TheBigWally posted.

Dawg350
Dawg350

Go eat a bag of rats!

GTBob
GTBob

@KeepOnSmilingWetWillie Auburn, FSU, Clemson, UGA, Alabama, S Car, Florida, and several other recruit Atlanta pretty regularly. In Mike's fantasy world though, GT and UGA are the only teams recruiting Atlanta.

ConfederateFlagBurner
ConfederateFlagBurner

@GTBob @MikeBanning Not True !!!!

Franklin signed 2 players from Georgia

Kelly signed 1 player from the state of Georgia 


Franklin has recruited circles around GT & in some ways UGA since he arrived at Vanderbilt. 

MikeBanning
MikeBanning

@GTBob

Simple question:

how much better would GT FB have been over the last 3-4 years if we had been able to get Stephon Tuitt and T.J. Jones(WR) to choose GT instead of Notre Dame?

In a  lot  of cases only 2-5 well placed recruits can make a difference between a 7-6 season and a 10-3 season.

But keep defending CPJ's crappy recruiting, after all CPJ does have GT FB headed in the right direction.

DawginCO
DawginCO

@thebucket the irony is off the charts.  But he'll never admit it because his obsession blinds him to how screwed up his POV is.  It's really unimaginable that there is any logic that makes that work at any level.  I sure won't ever be able to grasp it and I am glad.  That means I'm sane.  LOL

thebucket
thebucket

@GTBob @AlternativeDawg  Are you insane GTBob? You know and I know and anyone that knows CMR knows that there is absolutely no way in Hades that CMR would pull a JoePa if he knew there was an assistant coach doing that kind of crap to little boys. To suggest otherwise is absolutely insane and sick.

DawginCO
DawginCO

@GTBob  Yeah there is a huge comparison between a school administration that stood by and did nothing while a crime was being committed multiple times over years and a foolish person that threw away his career being an idiot.

Hate, GTBob.  You are it's slave.  And you allow it.  That is disgusting.

DawginCO
DawginCO

@Delusionaldog  why are you even arguing this?  Sandusky was allowed by the Penn St administration to do his thing for a good while.  There is no comparison and if you think there is then you are as messed up in the head as Sandusky is.  Sorry but you totally stepped in it on this one.  What an absolute joke you are.

TheBigWally
TheBigWally

@Delusionaldog Your an idiot.  There's never been anything at UGA like what went on at PSU with Sandusky.  

Dawg350
Dawg350

Bucky

Well franklin would dermorlize you!

Sleepy Dawg
Sleepy Dawg

@Dawg350  YOU TRY THAT WITH ME AND THINGS WILL GET PHYScIAL WHICH WILL not be a positive outcome for you.  I would hate to have to humble you in front of your mother, gf, or child

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@clarkston 

Johnson isn't the one crying to the NCAA about changing the rules.

DawgnIT
DawgnIT

@caneowar @PaulinNH Wrong.  No single program can sign every quality recruit.  Having Penn State and Notre Dame as part of GAState camps in back-to-back years will attract recruits who otherwise wouldn't attend.  It's not like PSU and ND are only signing all of the kids who attend these camps.


The leftovers have to go somewhere and if they have a good experience with GAState then they may consider the Panthers.  This is a brilliant move by an up and coming program in the hottest recruiting metropolitan city in the country.  How else is GAState going to recruit against the nation plus GASouthern?

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@caneowar 

Two 1 time invites are going to hurt him 10 years or so from now?  I don't think so.

GTBob
GTBob

@ConfederateFlagBurner You may want to actually read what I said. I said for the 2015 class they have a combined 24 committed recruits. None from Georgia. Prove me wrong and name the ones who are.

GTBob
GTBob

@MikeBanning Of course they would have improved our team. They would have improved UGAs team as well but I guess Mark Richt just wasnt a good enough recruiter to get them. Nor was Saban. Or Les Miles. Or Dabo Swinney. Or Steve Spurrier. Etc. Notre Dame probably gets on average 1 recruit from Georgia a year yet you want to pretend they are taking over the state. Its pretty ridiculous.

GTBob
GTBob

@thebucket Almost everyone on earth would have said the same thing about Joe Paterno before it actually happened.

GTBob
GTBob

@DawginCO Im not even really hating on this one. I am saying bashing an entire fan base of millions because some of them are conflicted about a man who did a tremendous amount of good for their school and community yet also committed a horrible act is just being ridiculously judgemental. You guys have your own problems and you don't always handle them well. You may not want to cast stones. I'm pretty sure your own coach would say the same thing.

Delusionaldog
Delusionaldog

@TheBigWally Rapes are rapes are rapes you idiot. Tell me there's never been a male on male rape in Athens. Go ahead, tell me. I won't believe you. 

PaulinNH
PaulinNH

@GTBob 

CFB doesn't seem to be able to understand simple English but he can forecast the future. 

TheBigWally
TheBigWally

@Delusionaldog @TheBigWally Oh your right, there is man/boy rape all the time over in Athens.  ESPN, CNN, ABC, NBC, Fox, and all the other news agencies had a secret meeting and decided that they wouldn't ever report it because they like UGA.


P.S. that was sarcasm, you idiot.